Rockcrawling is to mudbogging  as

chess is to armwrestling.

(no offence to armwrestlers.)

Hey, i don't know why tha hek you think  rocks r better than mud and chess is better than armwrestling, but i guess if you're a weak lil' girl, you go with what u can manage. I am plenty smart enough for both types of 'wheeling, but mud is way better than rocks, and just like armwrestling, mudding requires large amounts of raw power. Chess is for losers and #### if that tells u anything. Thanx 4 reading my reply, hope u learned somethin.  

c'mon guys, anything off road is cool. As long as your off pavement, having fun, it dont matter. Besides, who the heck plays chess anyway?  Boooooring, just  like golf. j/k

Ok, we have heard from a couple of people with opinions on the topic "rock vs. mud". Lets keep this discusion going a while longer.Everyone is welcome to express themself here.The phrase "give them enough rope" applies here.I will give an explanation for my statement next weekend.(unless I am stuck window deep in gumbo or bust my front rockwell on a boulder.LOL. By the way ...if you forget me you have lost nothing.....if you forget Jesus you have lost everything.

Have to say it depends on your rig and your disposition.  But I like 'em both.  However, when you have been squeezing off hundredths of a second to win mud bogs it ain't exactly arm wrestling!  And I've seen a few guys with more balls than brains who hit the rocks like they owned stock in sheet metal...definitely not chess players

Honestly, rock crawling seems to control most of the aftermarket suppiers so I guess they have the upper hand. 

how can anyone argue over this.. its rig set up as some said but a lot of its where your wheeling at what your best at doing and how much you hate cleaning that glue type mud off your truck every time you go out

i hate that crap that sticks everywhere powerwashers dont get to and it also is hard on your seals for about everything

Hey Toy Boy , before you make such a statement you should play a game of chess on my board so you could be a qualifide spokesman.

Oct. issue  page 46 center right.

SHORTSTROKE RACEING

Rock crawling and mud bogging are two so different types of wheeling.  However, both are loads of fun.  Rock crawling is generally more of a finesse type of wheeling where you methodically pick out your line, then slowly crawl over it.  You don't need a big block and 44's with big axle's locked f/r.  There is always the exception to the rule, such as the guy with the lead foot and trashed body.  Mud bogging on the other hand pretty much consists of a big lift, big tires, lots of ponies, and big locked up axle's with low gears.  All the driver needs is a heavy throttle foot.  Any schoolboy can take the above truck to the local mud pit and tear the pit up.  Some experience will help, but more than likely the same schoolboy would fare better at the mud pit than at the 4.0+ rock run.  One generally doesn't have to deal with off camber, tipsy situations where a roll over is imminent in mud bogging.  I believe that rock crawling is more difficult and requires driver and spotter to think out their lines much more than mud bogging.  However, what red blooded American wouldn't get a kick out of flying through the mud with a V-8 roaring and mud flying as they do donuts in the goo.  

Hey I'm an Army brat but I take pride in being from Alabama.  I live in Colorado and have been off-roading up here and it doesn't even compare to mudding in 'bama.  I've been to both types of events and the way I see it, Crawling is like a ballet, where as Mudding is like football.  Thats just my opinion, I'm just 17 with a '94 Mazda B2300(Everything stock but the tires).

I am impressed with the response we have got on the "rocks vs mud " debate. It was my intention to spark a healthy debate an I would like to see it contenue.The most inteligent,well written response has been from Scoutnut.I don't have much to add,He tells it like it is.

This debate reminds me of something an old die hard Harley rider told me after we had spent a long weekend on a Gipsy MC run .We had about a dozen cycles on that run,eveything from Harley trikes to Honda 750s and we stuck together and took good care of each other .He said what we ride is not what makes us bros,it was the way we treat each other and the way we "keep our knees in the breeze".

If you forget me you have lost nothing...................If you forget Jesus you have lost everything.

mazda? i dont know anyone that wheels with one of them.. must be a reason

crawling is not like ballet.

you shouldnt say things like that to people that really wheel or your little 94 will turn into another obstacle

mud is fun but if you ask anyone that really wheels ... we all started with mud and worked into rocks... rocks are for real wheelers  

I don't know if I'm the exception to the rule, but growing up in Arizona I started with rocks, not mud.  There's just not much of that here. 

As far as mazda's go, their truck line is just a branch of ford's.  They have the Navajo which is like the Explorer, and a light pickup like that looks very similar to the Ranger.  I've seen both of them on the trails.  Must be a reason.  As far as vehicles turning into obstacles, it's not generally because the vehicle isn't reliable, but more because the driver is inexperienced.  Some of that comes with age you know so I'ld be careful about how you talk to MAZDAJOE.  He may be a much more experienced wheeler than you (seeing as how you're only 16).  Who knows, he may be the very person who pulls out when you get stuck.  My point is, play nice.  We're all 4 wheelers here, no need to put up an attitude or call people names. 

I disagree about mudbogging being like football.  Football is much more thought out (ie. what routes you're going to run or defense you're going to play). 

Mudbogging is to Rockcrawling

As Sprinting is to Wrestling

ScoutNut

I don't take my truck wheeling anyway unless you count snow on the streets.  It's only a four-cylinder, two-wheel drive truck.  It's an everyday driver that I got off a friend of the family for $700.  When I go off-roading I take my dads Jeep Wrangler.  I'm still saving up for my own wheeling truck.

What kind of a truck do you, yourself, own, skblazer?

I still think bogging is like football.  Ever gone mudding in 'bama.  You have to plan out which trees you are going to go through so that you will fit.  Also in 'bama a good game of football is played in almost ankle deep mud after it has been raining for two weeks straight.

whoa whoa mazda joe i think before you knock crawlig you need to understand why you don't like it

there could be two reasons why you don't like crawling first you havent wheeled enough what i mean by this is most people start off in the mud but it dosent take long to figure out that there is minimal skill involved hit the gas keep your rpm's and momentum up and avoid trees and ruts that is all there is to it what makes some one good is the mudd is their rig i could teach a monkey to drive threw the mudd especaily bogging don't get me wrong i love to play in the mudd and go to mudd boggs in fact i have never even been to a crawling event but i have been to my share of boggs so i'm not dogging mudding or mudd bogs there is just no challange as a driver

the second reason you might not like to crawl is becuse your not good at it being good at crawling is a gift this gift i'm talking about is what i like to refer to as a mehcanical mind (the abiltiy to see something happen in your mind) the reason i say it is a gift is becuse some people are born with it and some people arn't just like having an artistic mind some people can draw some can't the reason having a mehcanical mind is so important to crawling is becuse you have to be able to pick lines if you can walk an obsticle and know where all four of your tires will be at all times know how big of a rock you can put your rt frnt tire on before the left rear touches fender how big of a rock your diff will clear the list goes on and on

a prime example of this is a guy that wheels with me and my buddies from time to time. (hope he dosent read this) his daddy has alot of money so he bought a cj and took it straight to an offroad shop they put on a lift 35's went spring over dana 44's locked the front  easily the best rig that goes out with us but the guy can not pick a line to save his life i could make it futher in a go-cart we even tell him to follow us and he still gets hung up the guy is not stupid and when we go play in the mudd he does great

this is gettin long but i have one more point to make i have read dozens of articles in magazines on on offroadding techneques the ones on how to wheel in mudd or sand are good use momentum, keep rpm's up don't stop until you reach dry or solid ground it some might include lower air pressure or avoide ruts made by bigger tires than your own but that is pretty much all it take with out gitting into the nitty gritty but i have yet to see some one explain how to crawl it goes somthig like ????drive slow ???? don't high center ??? point is crawling can't be explaind

well i hope this was worth reading kind of got cared away 

i allready posted what i drive if you read more of the forums you would have known and seen pics

but anyways im not worried about anything anymore

you just made a statement that was not only incorrect but apalling.

how can you say something when you yourself dont really wheel on a weekly basis?

yeah your right scoutnut i may not be the most experience driver but i have made people look dumb. i love wheeling and i will do it as long as i can.

i will be building another blazer soon within the year (12 months i should say) and it will be all out hard core cheap and ugly. the trucks i own are an 89 blazer and a 88 blazer for parts ... maybe the project truck im not sure.

and i think he said he was 17. so if he had anytime on me its not much

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