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Hood297 Hood297
New User | Posts: 7 | Joined: 01/06
Posted: 01/25/06
08:47 PM

 I have some questions about the electrical system on my 03 jeep liberty. i know the jeep liberty isnt a popular platfrom for  offroad modication, although i have a long list of additions.  It is as of right now bone-stock, by the end of my build i will have 6 130w lights, air compressor ( lockers ), winch, and possibly a slightly upgraded audio system. my question is, is the alternator up to the challenge of all of this extra draw? i know i will probably need a newer, better battery, such as an optima. but will that be enough?

 

 
prerunner1982 prerunner1982
User | Posts: 155 | Joined: 05/04
Posted: 01/30/06
10:24 AM

you will definately need a higher amp alternator.. not sure what is available for your engine, so it may take some research.. but definately will need and upgrade...  

 
mrgillus mrgillus
New User | Posts: 14 | Joined: 02/06
Posted: 02/04/06
11:17 PM

Ok... I had a like two page thing for you on your problem from my past experience and previewed it and then went back... Yup, lost the whole thing.... won't make that mistake again. That took me like 45 minutes to type up... crap... It's like 1:15 am.. I will type it up again tomorrow morning. It will definetely give you some ideas.  

 
mrgillus mrgillus
New User | Posts: 14 | Joined: 02/06
Posted: 02/05/06
02:52 PM

 Let me begin by telling you this can end up being a lot more complicated than you think. Well, not complicated but just a pain in the arse if you don't get it quite right the first time.


I bought my dads 93 Chevy K1500 from him about 4 years ago and started to add one by one all the neat 4x4 accessories you can get. I had created a binder full of everthing that I was planning to put on while I was in high school.


First on the grocery list was a WARN Transformer Series Bull Bar for the front. I would later add the brush guards after I saved up more money. I then got a new engine from Jasper and had that put in since I was getting ready to through a rod. I wanted to get that bull bar in the front to help protect the new engine I was getting.


Over time I eventually made it around to putting on a WARN XD9000I Winch in the front and a Harbor Freight Tools brand Winch rated at 8000 lbs. At full load the Warn winch could draw up to 400+ amps. I just assume the Harbor Freight winch could draw about the same. I knew I would need a little more beef in the electrical system so I got another battery and a Dual Battery Isolater. I thought that is all that would be necessary to supply the winches.


I was definetely wrong.. The very first time I get out and use my Warn winch I cook my stock alternator. Go figure. So I make some phone calls and ask around a little at some of the local truck shops and discover I should've purchased a High Amp Alternator. I get on the phone to summit racing and they tell me with much confidence that a bigger alternator will fix all my electrical demands. 350 dollars and a 210amp powermaster alternator later I'm confident I have fixed the problem.


My ignorance of alternators got me into trouble again with this one. You see, although the alternator was rated at 210 amps they neglected to tell me at summit that was the highway RPM reading. This alternator actually only puts out like 115amps at idle. Make sure you check this very carefully when purchasing a new alternator since it is most likely that people won't be winching while driving down the highway.


So during my next winching situation; my friend Tim calls me and he has got his truck down a muddy embankment while trying to turn around at the end of a trail. So I got down there and boy was he in a pickle. This ravine was really steep and he was nose first at the bottom of the hill. The only way I was going to get him out was if I used my winch in the back of the truck to strap it to the top of the hill. Otherwise I was going to end up down the hill with him. We eventually  managed to get him out but the whole ordeal took about 3 hours and it got dark so I began to use my light bar on the top.


Between the lights and the two winches, I managed to yet again burn up another alternator. I called up summit racing to inquire about my warranty swap but it just so happened that I was 2 weeks past the 1 year allowance. 350 dollars down the drain.


So I was back on the phone once again trying to figure out what else there was I could do to support the load I was putting on my 12volt power system. No one had any ideas around my local area so I got online and looked up alternator setups. I eventually stumbled onto the whole dual alternator setup that a lot of car stereo enthusiasts were using. I also learned that it was not to uncommon to find this setup in some off road rigs.


So, my main question was where do I get the bracket to support two alternators and where do I get the alternators from? I didn't want to spend another 350 dollars on another powermaster alternator so I went up to my local Advance Auto Parts and they were able to get me an AC Delco Alternator that put out 140 amps at idle and 195 amps at Highway. Two of these would be perfect and they would only cost me 80 bucks a piece. Thats about 280 amps at idle that would only cost me 160 dollars or so.


After searching and searching I couldn't find anyone who sold a dual alternator bracket for my truck. I made my own out of some 1/4" X 1 1/2" steel bars using my 110v mig welder. It took just about all day to finish the bracket because it had to line up just right with the belt. After it was done I hooked up everything and realized I wasn't quite sure how to wire this. I talked to a few different people around and tryed to hook it up the way they thought it should be done. Let's just say it's best to go to an expert about alternators if you ever have a question when hooking them up. I ended up going through three alternators (which Advance replaced for free...Lifetime Warranty baby!!)  before I finally decided to look online for help.


I came across a company, www.ohiogenerators.com who specialized in dual alternator setups and alternators. They walked me through the whole process without me even making a purchase from them. They were a great help. I finally had my 12v system complete and it WORKED!! I could power just about anything from my truck without any problems. I am currently running two winches, 11- 100watt baja off-road lights(four in the front, seven on top), a 2500 watt power inverter which I ran 120v receptacles to the front and back of my truck.(Like the best thing I have ever put on my truck), a 12v air compressor (Fills a 2 gallon tank in the engine compartment), and 6- 55watt work lights that are mounted around the top of the cab of the truck.(These things work great at night).


So in anycase I have definetely crossed a threshold for power consumption in a vehicle and have managed to power successfully.


The batteries I am using are 2 Diehard Rangehandlers (875 cold cranking amps) and have been using through my whole power crisis.


Now, to get back to your alternator question... Yes, you will definetely need to upgrade your stock alternator. I believe those are designed to power only the factory setup in a vehicle and adding in accessories of any kind will begin to stress it.


The battery or batteries don't necessarily have to be Optima. From what I've seen, they don't generally have as many cranking amps as the premium series batteries you can get from like Sears, Autozone (I work there), or Advance Autoparts. They will also cost you about 20 to 30 dollars more. They do on the other hand have a good warranty.


The rest, I leave up to you. If you have room in your engine compartment to run another alternator you may want to check out that possibilty for future use. If your not going to be pulling too much through your electrical system, then a high output alternator would most likely be a good choice. Just remember though, I spent less on a two alternator setup than I did on one high output alternator alone. Check out all your possibilities and you can kind of use my situation as a reference for what you may or may not need.


Sorry it had to be so long though... Hope it was helpful!!!

 

 
quyonmob quyonmob
Enthusiast | Posts: 584 | Joined: 11/03
Posted: 02/05/06
05:22 PM

You need a throttle lock!


Set your engine to 2300rpm with a throttle lock and winch away at the alternators peak. Its old school, but it works damn well. I had one on my burb, was great for winching, boosting dead vehicles, and cold warm-ups.


I was running dual batts, and didnt have the juice I wanted so I got a 220amp alt, and made the throttle lock, copied the one off a dodge 350 dump truck. Worked great.

 

 
needformud needformud
User | Posts: 80 | Joined: 04/05
Posted: 02/06/06
05:06 PM

i was just wondering about that ohiogenerators.com website


is it sposed to be a search page or whut

 

 
mrgillus mrgillus
New User | Posts: 14 | Joined: 02/06
Posted: 02/06/06
06:15 PM

Hmmm... well no, that is not the right page. It has been a while since I went to there website... Their phone number is 330-875-6677. I will give him a call tomorrow when they open up and find out what happened with there website. I will repost the new address.

 

 
mrgillus mrgillus
New User | Posts: 14 | Joined: 02/06
Posted: 02/07/06
07:43 AM

http://ohiogen.com/....   


That is Ohio Generators website....

 

 
Blitzd Blitzd
New User | Posts: 5 | Joined: 02/06
Posted: 02/14/06
02:17 AM

ok i had a question i just had to upgrade the alternator in my vehicle i have a 1999 Mitsubishi Montero and currently all i have in/on it is a very power hungry audio system pulling at 1400 watts and i plan to install alot more stuff for offroading and the likes which is one question i have already posted but have gotten no reply but as for this question i was wondering when i got my alternator replaced the mechanic told me that it was 2.5 bigger than the stock which he said was a 1.0 which i happened to know was a 100 amp alternator now what im curious about is if a 1.0 alternator is 100 amps what does that make a 3.5? i dont think it is likely that it is a 350 amp since the the repair shop said that this upgraded alternator cost the same as it would have been to get a stock one any one have any info on this?  

 
mrgillus mrgillus
New User | Posts: 14 | Joined: 02/06
Posted: 02/14/06
08:08 AM

What do you mean by 2.5, 1.0, etc.?? I'm not familiar with an alternator being rated that way. And no, I doubt you there is such a thing as a 350 amp alternator. Unless some major money and time was put into modifying it.  

 
Blackchevy Blackchevy
Enthusiast | Posts: 455 | Joined: 10/04
Posted: 02/14/06
03:02 PM

There are that big of alternators, but that cost big money. If you can find a part number or something on the alternator I can get it's info for you but I have never heard alternators voltage refered to in 1.0 ...  

 
Blitzd Blitzd
New User | Posts: 5 | Joined: 02/06
Posted: 02/14/06
05:54 PM

ya i know i have no clue what they meant by that 2.5 and 1.0 that is what the mechanic used to describe them it may be a local thing out here but i was wondering if anyof you had ever heard of that i know the stock size is a 100 amp like i said and ill try to find some sort of stock number if i can but it didnt even have any info on the alternator on my receipt it just said alternator any ways ill check for some infor and repost thx for the help  

 
alexsimard alexsimard
New User | Posts: 2 | Joined: 02/06
Posted: 02/18/06
09:01 AM

the only 300amp+ alternator ivwe seen is in a magazine for GM truck. i work in diesel engine and our heavy duty delco-remy can do 100-200amp maximum dont think a mitsubishi alternator will deliver 300+amp!!

 

 

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