directv:
yeah i don't really know about ford go anywhere.Chevy's THEN dodge go any where.but yeah i mean those jeep guys don't know what the *** there talking about!jeeps suck cows dicks.

k bud, I'm getting tired of chasin you around.. the language.. not to mention your age and massive lack of experience...

if your learning thats great, lets not be offering advise on something ya cant even reach the pedals of yet.

especially a jeep on a trail compared to a full size rig. you'll be eating your words before you relize how much crap they are frosted with...  

Hey directv how is it that you have so many vehicles and one minute your a "kid" and the next you are old.  You know there's no need to lie on here, you want that kinda stuff get on myspace or something.  This is a web site for men to discuss and share tips with other men about grown up stuff.  Why don't you spend more time reading and learning and less time posting comments for the sake of posting them.  If you have nothing to add don't add anything.  It's real simple.  

k sorry.i just this mag so much!its really cool and i love offroading.  

directv:
k sorry.i just this mag so much!its really cool and i love offroading.

That's good and I'm glad you love this stuff.  But as a kid you should spend more time learning than replying.  Then when you're older you can help others.  That's what this is all about, helping others.  There is no need for profanity or rude remarks.  This is just my opinion of course.  I have nothing against you, you just need to sit back and learn.  That's what I'm doing, people like Mud and SnoMan know their stuff, take the opportunity to learn from the Masters.  

well i am learning a great deal from mud(not snow).but i will try to cut back on my cussing,replying,and well just plain,writing stuff that i don't know.  

well how do ya like it!?its a new avatar!  

I've got to say I hope most of this is just some testosterone fueled chest beating, and we'll get back to the learning part in a minute.

I grew up with willys, broncos, power wagons, and harvesters. I've wrenched K5s, and SJs mainly, and admit to owning a couple of xterras. They were all good at different things. The garage is a tool-box - you get the tool you need to do the job. If you don't have it, you ask a friend.

What I'm hearing is that we've all kind of forgotten that we don't all have the same jobs to do, and so it's kind of a my hammer's better than your hammer thing, when my hammer's not a hammer at all, it's a screwdriver. Or maybe even a level. I'm also hearing that we may have forgotten that we just need a claw-hammer, not necessarily a sledge. Lastly, I'm hearing that we've all gotten fed up with ALL the manufacturers for selling us tools, for whatever purpose, that are cosmetic and unreliable.  

All of that to say this - I'm the guy you're all getting down on. With a lot of hesitancy about Chrysler, I just bought a new ( to me ) jk 4x4, and I do think it's softer than I remember. I've got a day job, and I haven't been anywhere but down some powercuts yet.  However, it's hard enough to get me and my kid to the camps, and I'm finding a lot of parts. My wife loves it. Time and spirit willing, it'll get me and my family out into the woods, and back again, and that's what it's supposed to do. So no, I probably wont build another crawler or mudder with it - I'll just drive it and replace the things I don't think are making the grade until it becomes the tool I need.

That's what I came to the forums for - to find people that know more about it than I do, so I can find the parts and techniques I need to make the truck do what I need it to do. If it's not capable, or I made a poor tool selection, I'll get something else. But unless someone misrepresented the capabilities of the tool I selected, you wont hear me complaining about that company. Nor will you hear me bad mouth anyone else's selection in return because it doesn't fit my needs.

One final thing before I get off my soapbox and we get back to learning - I haven't been around forever, but during my years, I've noticed that there is always someone that's better at "it" than I am. I can recall a particularly humbling experience where I couldn't get a jacked xterra up a narrow rocky arroyo. I tried a bunch of lines and none of them worked. My mechanic was out that day, and took my x through with no problems, then had me take his stock CJ through with him spotting the same line. I thought the jeep made it look easy, and I told him so. He told me the reason it looked easy from the jeep was because he'd been able to see me blow the line 6 times in the x and had figured it out.

Can we get back to figuring it out now ?  

wow this thread is kind like the one on the dieselpower mag fourum about cummins vs duramax vs powerstroke its neverending and has no solutions,    about jeeps they are jeeps and have jeep capabilitys to do jeep like things and stuff.... but my K5 blazer still kicks ass.........lol    i had to throw it in there    

The name Jeep used to stand for something but not anymore. Chrysler has seen to that. They have turned it into another "car".  

let me boil it down for the rest of you. you are arguing over brand NAMES.and for a starters unless you have wheeled a jeep and a full-size,base your opinions not on how the vehicle managed to be beat by the other especially if it was SOMEONE ELSE driving. I wheel a 87 sammy and guess what, it's stock and it still has managed to beat quads at their own game and go the same place most lifted trucks can go.

I am only running 205/75/15 tires and they are oddballs at that.

Don't even continue the blame game    

Unlike most of the "wheeler" around here I have a few miles on me and I have been driving 4x4 since late 60's and have been around them since late 50's and I know first hand what a Jeep used to be and it is not one now but only in name sake. 80's Sami's were good simple 4x4's in their own right (kinda like a Jeep once was) and left fairly stock they did a creditable job and would take a lot of abuse. You cannot escape the blame game though because Detroit has commercialized 4x4's for profit. I remember when it all started in later 70's as before that you could wait 3 to 6 month to get a 4x4 truck on special order as nobody stocked them and dealers looked at you like why did you think you even needed one. Chrysler has taken a name that once meant something, Jeep, and turned it into a car to generate more sales while loosing its roots. So there really is a blame game here but unless you have been around them for 40 years you might not ever know any better that a Jeep was once a Jeep and not a 4x4 car.