Just trying to cause a little trouble here.  So what the heck is with the "It's a Jeep thing" stuff.  Just because you drive a tin can that can be crushed and replaced from a mail order catalog doesn't make you cool.  Every Jeeper who has a stock unit thinks it is tougher than any truck made but most of them haven't even been off the black top much less tested in the mud, dirt, sand, or rocks.  Yeah, I know your driveway gets a dust build up after it rains and you tested your transfer case once in a gravel parking lot, but that isn't four-wheeling. 

If that is what a Jeep thing is about I am happy to be a real wheeler.  I know there are a few of you out there with Jeeps that make the above mentioned drivers think they can do the same thing.  What I'm trying to say is that it is all about the experiences and doesn't matter what your riding in when you have them.  If you haven't gone out and roughed it  you shouldn't claim to have.   

The saying should read "Its a Jeep thing.  I don't understand".

 Ford Trucks go everywhere!

your right but there are a few good jeeps out there but they have 350s or 351s for ford or chevy they use one tone axles from a ford or chevy (maybe a dodge which is like a chevy just wider)

never have i seen or used a part from a jeep but i have never seen a build jeep with out ford or chevy parts on it

what your left with is a jeep body and once there lifted there hard as hell to get into and feel like your in the back seat the whole time there cramped short and cost more than a ford or chevy

there are some great ones out there but they are half chevy anyways

for a stock truck a jeep is better but once that lift is on you wish you had a real truck

you guys are idiots  

tell me why and you can proof it other wise shut up

i dint say jeeps suck or jeeps this and that i know jeeps are good for offroading but you tell me you can put 38s on any jeep and keep it together with jeep parts your best axle is a dana 44 and there so few of them its allmost not worth talking about

tell me why im wrong

because you're an idiot  

you wanta back that up by anything? if not then stop talking.

jeeps are good only for light wheeling

thats it! its over unless you comeback with some unknown facts that i have never heard or nore seen.

ok...

higum started this thread "Just trying to cause a little trouble..." so i decided to cause a little trouble of my own.  if you want to take it personally, however, here's why your an idiot (besides your spelling and grammar):

jeeps are built for one thing: offroading. no matter how you look at it, they always have been. it's a "Jeep Thing" because i CAN take my stock jeep to many places lifted trucks can get go. because i CAN lift my jeep for relatively cheap and make it into a capable offroad machine.  because i CAN use parts from almost any other truck out there.

but i can also keep it Jeep and use heavy duty axles from other jeeps. proof you say? here is a small exerpt from jeeptech.com:

"Some Jeep "heavy" 1/2 ton pickups used a semi-floating Dana 60 with a 5 on 5 1/2" wheel bolt pattern. The standard 1/2 ton pickups used a Dana 44 and the 3/4 ton pickups used a full floating Dana 60 with different wheel bolt pattern. This axle makes a great low buck Dana 60 option since the wheel bolt pattern matches the normal CJ wheel bolt pattern. These axles are wide for a CJ, but the tubes can be cut and rewelded and the shafts cut and resplined. The axle in the photograph is from a '73 J-4000 pickup. I've seen this axle on J-4000s and since it was used from '73-'79, it must be available on some J-10s as well. This axle had 12" brakes, which might need to be swapped out to fit in a 15" wheel. Note the 60-2 cast on the bottom of the differential cover..."

you say, "once there lifted there hard as hell to get into and feel like your in the back seat the whole time there cramped short and cost more than a ford or chevy..."  as for cost, take a look at 4wheel's 5KXJ article a few months back.  as for comfort, i 'wheel an XJ (that's a Cherokee in case you were wondering).  they're not short and cramped. and neither are Grand Cherokees. as a matter of fact i know two guys that wheel Grand Cherokees on 36" tires, with stock axles. talk about comfort. hard to get into you say? once you go so high with any truck it becomes hard to get into.

i belong to a group of XJ owners and most of us are using stock axles and engines even with lifts and bigger tires.  there is one guy with a Ford 9" rear end for his 39" tires, but he's running a stock 4.0L engine.  and there is one guy who swapped a 4.3L Chevy V6 into his, but he's using stock axles for his 35" tires. and all of us are very happy to be able to get replacement parts from a catalog, because we wheel the #### out of our rigs.  ford and chevy guys probably have catalogs too, but don't need them because of the mass quantity of ford and chevy trucks out there.

it really isn't about what you wheel but how you wheel it. that is true. i don't break #### because i know the limits of my truck. skill is better than power and i'll take my 4.0 over your engine any day. you don't need a V8 to wheel (although you will find 401, 360, 350, 327, and 304 V8s in earlier jeeps, as well as 360, 318, and 287 V8s in recent Grand Cherokees). there are ways of compensating for less power (gearing for instance) that make a jeep better for wheeling because you're less likely to break ####.

" dint say jeeps suck or jeeps this and that..." actually you did say jeeps this and that, and that's why i'm responding one last time.  you'll notice i didn't say ford this or chevy that. i can prove a point without talking ####, which is all that you were doing. 

one more reason why you're an idiot.

i said sure jeeps are great for light wheeling... i have no doubt on a jeep, there just not for me i supose

you did change my mind on some things great info. if its all right

and the reason jeeps are hard to getinto is that 6 -8 inch lip where the door is i do have respect for jeeps i just dont chose them over a chevy its my choice. chevys will allways be cheaper to build from the mass amounts of parts jeep lacks in (somewhat) i dint know they had a 60 (you sure it was in a 3/4 ton?) thats cool but the main thing is that im just sick of people "my jeep this" all the time its annoying i know out of the factory... but when you build its no longer out of the factory.... its homebuilt

jeep may have started it but i dont care i like my chevy (350 tuneport powered)

if you really think about it after you get up over 38inch tires you have so much crap on your truck the only thing that makes it a jeep chevy or ford is the body and sometimes frame

i mean your useing the same parts really if you think about it the same maunfactures make our stuff

the driver also plays into it too i have watched closly set up trucks (myself and another jeep with rockwells and a 350) he couldnt go anywhere really rocks killed him ... but i knew his truck was worthy he wasnt or had a bad day (still in a bad day tho) then i would watch people with 38s doing better than him. he was running 44in tsls same as us just a year newer

i do this all off the top of my head im 16 sorry about my grammer summer school dint work for me

problems with what i said again tell me about it you dont have to be a #### to get it to me i wasnt

You're all idiots for subscribing, and I'll tell you why:

This magazine has been converted into a fishwrap for rockcrawlers and posers (gawd, haven't used that term in a while).  I have absolutely nothing against rockcrawlers, a lot of their rigs are works of art.  A lot of the rockcrawler guys are friggin' geniuses.  A lot of those guys have had photos of their rigs taken for cover art purposes to cover Pewe's butt for the next 3 years worth of magazines.  I mean...isn't that all that's left for covers?  Super-duper-custom rock buggies?  And all the feature articles?   ROCK BUGGIES!!!!  WOOOOOOO!

I just got my last issue of Rockcrawler Month...I mean 4 Wheel, and quite frankly I'm glad it's over.  No more half-page, half-hearted writeups of useful and/or interesting new parts (nice investigative work, guys - I can read a brochure too)...no more 5 page articles dedicated to YET ANOTHER AMAZING ROCK BUGGY...no more searching for promised articles that seem to get pushed back (or pushed away) in favor of MOAB MANIA!!!!  (How about the big-block Ford buildup?  How about the big-block motor buildups in general?)  No more "Craftsman bought ad space...so we'll do a feature on Bob Vila's awesome belt-wrench thing!" or "Camping 101 featuring 300 brand-name items".

I don't care about a Mickey Mouse Avalanche buildup, really I don't.  So they souped-up a Tinkertoy truck with parts meant to be under a 1-ton. Big deal.  Inbred hillbillies from God-knows-where can do the same thing with a Camaro -- 4WOR has shown us pictures to prove it.  Oh, I forgot - it's got rear steering.  Totally awesome.  Wonder how long before it falls apar...whoops, too late.

$18.00 for a 2-year subscription is a really good price.  Shame I can't say the same about the magazine.  Or the shameless cross-selling website...but that's another story.  At least the website is free.

’67-’69 Kaiser/ Jeep M-715

•Dana 60 front, Dana 70 rear

•Has a storage compartment that doubles as a mailbox

•Why settle for a wimpy 1-ton?

•There is more to Jeep than CJs

I ran a 76 F-250 on 44 gumbo's in high school,now I have a 46 CJ2A on 36 Iroc's. The main difference I've noticed is the jeep just plan runs circles around pickup's(Ford or Chevy). It's the weight disterbution(I can't spell worth a dam).  The jeep deffinetly has more weight over the rear axle(hell my ass is almost on top of it. The other great thing about a jeep,(if u live where I do Pa.) is it will go up through the woods where a full size can't go.

As for the "Jeep thing".....I always went for the "real jeeps are built not bought" thing.  

Bet you don't have one of the those stupid stickers either.  Most guys that build their own rigs wouldn't- that was the whole point. 

The people who have these stickers usually don't know squat about our sport and that is the whole reason for my griping!(Pardon me to the few guys who have built Jeeps and have earned the respect.)  Its the pavement crawlers I can't stand.

P.S. Great job of continuing the expression guys!  Keep on wheelin'

this is a fourwheeling mag not a motor or street truck mag ... they have the build ups we have the set ups if you dont care about somthing then shut up and stop wasting your time here .... the mag you dont likes web site

i love to hear about whats going on where and whos doing stuff and peoples set ups

so go get another magazine if you dont like this one ... i do and im keeping it (for 2 years)

haha wimpy one ton? whens the last time you broke one?

i never have been beatin by a jeep and we have been around

get into tight spots can you? thats what i made the bumper for ... opening the tight spots up.

and this

’67-’69 Kaiser/ Jeep M-715
•Dana 60 front, Dana 70 rear
•Has a storage compartment that doubles as a mailbox
•Why settle for a wimpy 1-ton?

you ass a dana 60 is a one ton what are you thinking? who dint know that ?

if you think you have better trails than what im running now you email me

skblazer@lycos.com

just so all of you know...

the kaiser m-715 is a 1.25 ton truck (one and a quarter ton).

i don't subscribe to this magazine.

i don't have an "it's a jeep thing..." sticker.

i don't know where the big block write-ups went.

i build my own jeeps.

i can go places that even a kick ass bumper can't open up (you really shouldn't be using your bumper to open up trails anyway, nothing personal).

i don't really think you guys are idiots.

my god can kick your god's ass.

praise be to buddha.

Dana 60 a 1 ton REALY, your kiddin me, WOW!!!! I built my rig from the ground up & you think I didn't know that.

"67-’69 Kaiser/ Jeep M-715

•Dana 60 front, Dana 70 rear

•Has a storage compartment that doubles as a mailbox

•Why settle for a wimpy 1-ton?

•There is more to Jeep than CJs"

This is a direct quote from David Kennedy & Pewe of Petersens 4 Wheel & Off-Road Magazine(10 4x4s We’d Steal to Wheel). Didn't think I needed to explane it, but the M-715 is rated at 5/4 ton. The front Dana 60 is a 1 ton, just like a Ford 3/4 ton has a Dana 44 front(1/2 ton).

I never said my trails are harder or better. The point I was trying to make was, I built my rig for the type of off road we have here(all tree's & your bumper isn't going to work unless it has a builtin chain saw).  All I can say is if you have a 4X4, take it off road, & use 4 wheel drive, your Ok with me...

Unless your an idiot.

No jeep thing sticker here eather.

Edited 12/4/2003 1:50:48 PM ET by Juggalo1 (JUGGALO120)