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leavy20
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Posted: 08/08/08 09:31 PM
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i was wondering if anyone knows or has heard of using 351w parts (crank and rods) to stroke a 302 to be a 351w the bores are both the same so i dont see why not. and if it is possible what other parts if any need to be swapped. and what would need to be purchased from the auto store.
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leavy20
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Posted: 08/09/08 01:58 PM
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c'mon some ones gotta know or have an idea. i would just tackle it but the i use the truck for work on a daily basis so i dont want it down for nothing
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kwatts50
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Posted: 08/10/08 06:20 AM
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if you have the windsor short block just build it and use the 302 fuel injection all you need is spacers to go between the intake and heads but what you are talking about doing is not possible. the main bearing journals are bigger on the 351w and the stroke and rods wont work because the deck height is different from the 302 to the 351.
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leavy20
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Posted: 08/10/08 06:39 AM
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well the block aint in great shape, but if i did rebuild the 351w the 302's fuel injection would bolt up? the 351w i have right now is carbed and i want fuel injection. and the pistons and cylinders are i very ruff shape.
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kwatts50
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Posted: 08/10/08 01:34 PM
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yes it will bolt up you just have to get a set of intake spacers the 302 heads are also the same.
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leavy20
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Posted: 08/10/08 03:09 PM
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where can i get intake spacers? i looked at summit and cant find any for my year. but other than that every things good right?
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Posted: 08/13/08 07:13 PM
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One other questions is if the firing order is the same. I don't remember what the firing order is??? This could make your injection system not work. I know their is a difference in performance world on the cams on how you can change the firing order to make more power. Chevy's this also can be done on small blocks. Just something to mess with your heads but its true.
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leavy20
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Posted: 08/14/08 06:58 AM
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firing order is the same.
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Posted: 08/14/08 07:46 PM
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On my book it shows 351w with 13726548 firing order. 302 with 15426378 firing order. This will have to be addressed when swapping out injection systems. Have to check and see if his paticular year is the same. I don't mess with small block much but this is information to check out. Hope I could help.
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leavy20
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Posted: 08/15/08 05:54 AM
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i have a '94 302 so the timing is the same as the 351 i guess i lucked out there by a year. but i can use the 302 heads on the 351 block and swap the EFI junk and it will work right? i would feel better about doing this if someone has done it, though
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leavy20
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Posted: 08/16/08 01:07 PM
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sorry i looked in the book and it said '94 and later 302's were the same as the 351w's. but i wasn't quite sure if that was right so i went and looked at my truck and it has the older firing order. so on top of it all what can i do to correct this and make it work i am looking for this to be on the cheap side. Limited income sucks!!!
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Posted: 08/16/08 10:05 PM
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On the 302 heads the head bolts are smaller than 351w. I believe this is correct? Don't have any info to verify this. The heads will set on the windsor but head bolts won't go? Been a while but I believe this is correct. Sounds like you just need to stroke the little 302 to 331 or 347. for daily driver I reccomend the 331 because the oil ring gets into the piston pin on the 347 combo sometimes.
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leavy20
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Posted: 08/17/08 06:46 AM
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i have decided on giving up on the stroking and have decided to just build up the 302 and see what power i can get and still have it streetable as a daily driver. and try to keep it on a budget. if y'all have any advice it is welcomed. i was thinking a cam and headers?
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Posted: 08/19/08 01:09 PM
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More compression in the 9.5 to 1 range and if budget allows nice roller cam. On making compression and detonation protection you want to get your piston as close to top of deck as possible. Meaning by taking a measurement from top of block to top of piston when at top dead center. Or find a piston with a higher compression height than factory. Meaning a piston that is taller and helps bump up compression to make more power. Keith black hyperutectic pistons make a good piston with a taller compression height built into piston on several of their products. Good reliable product for 4wd guys. I use these products myself and others. The other terminlogy is called decking the motor. 0 deck is good but now your pushrods need to be changed to compensate for the machining. AFR165 is a good little head for 4wd's. Brodix makes a good little 302 head. If all else fails just do a little porting on intakes and exh. Gasket match and work the valvebowl area. Ford castings are a little rough and just smoothing them out a little really goes a long ways also work your intakes and gasket match. If any questions drop me a note. My dads 1985 extended cab 4wd fuelinjected 302 gets 18mpg on the highway 9.0to one compression with a little head work and nice little cam and factory manifolds with a little porting and smoothing on 3.73 gears. Heads are E5TE castings. Good smooth running little truck. He now has about 200,000 miles on truck. First 302 lasted 220,000 miles but timing chain give it up. It has a high dollar timing chain in it when we rebuilt it to prolong the life of the engine. The next rebuild we will have to replace the block because its been bored .040 to clean up on last overhaul.
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Posted: 08/19/08 01:16 PM
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O'yeah I used to work in a machine chop and did all my own work. I now work on natural gas engine and diesels in the energy industry. Find you a good machine shop so you can get the most for your money. You can build a really good engine as long as the machining is correct with what you have. I now work on these 4wd's for fun. Bumping up your compression will make a big difference on horsepower/torque output with the right cam.
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